Talk:Stringing Pummel

Crit rate testing

Using Kenkonken on the test server:

• Atma of the Razed Ruins, +5 Crit merits, non-crit at 132 TP (took 5 tries). :: 100TP Crit rate boost is less than 45%.
• Added Rancor Collar with max hate and also got a non-crit, but it took 15 WSs. :: 100TP Crit rate boost is less than 40%.
• Switched Rancor Collar for Atma of the Scorpion Queen, and I still don't have a non-crit (~20 WSs).

If I'm not just getting unlucky, this would put Stringing Pummel's 100TP crit rate boost around +35%. --Byrthnoth 19:29, 22 March 2012 (EDT)

I did some more testing today, and I don't think my original results were correct (somehow). I went out against Bluffalo and got a 300TP non-crit with Razed Ruins on, which indicates less than +45% Crit rate at 300TP. I doubt it would scale with less than +10% crit rate between 100 and 300TP. This is a difficult WS to test because the first hit damage is extra low. I don't know how much more I'll play around with it.

I was hoping to find out whether or not it has an attack penalty, but Bluffalo have Critical Defense Bonus so I'm not sure my results mean anything. I got damages between 377 and 466 against EM Bluffalo with 507 attack. There was no obvious plateau for 1 pDIF. I had 85+51 STR and 79+90 VIT with 409 H2H skill and a level 99 Kenkonken, with Razed Ruins on and no other source of critical damage gear.

So 1.6>Ratio>1.45, but it's also shifted due to Critical Defense Bonus so the real ratio could be higher than that. That seems weirdly high given what my Ratio should be. I tried to look for my maximum melee hit against a monster near an EM /check in the log and the highest I found was 257, which would be consistent with ~2.1 max crit pDIF, which does fit the normal Ratio. So it is possible that Stringing Pummel also gets a cRatio multiplier? --Byrthnoth 03:24, 5 May 2012 (EDT)

Looking at this data again now that we know a little more about Critical Defense Bonus, it seems the real range of Ratios for WS is .87~1.3, which includes the base value. There's no evidence of a strong attack bonus and the maximum possible attack bonus would be 32% while the maximum possible penalty would be 11%. It's likely unmodified. --Byrthnoth 01:36, 14 January 2013 (EST)

Mod and fTP confirmation

Athos's Tabard, Athos's Tights, Primeval Brew, Atma of the Sanguine Scythe, Atma of the Razed Ruins, Atma of the Gnarled Horn, Kenkonken (Level 85) vs. Blood Bat

• No Gorget/belt: 2159, 2171, 2183, 2183, 2215, 2217, 2254, 2286, 2289, 2289, 2340, 2347, 2357, 2357, 2369, 2409, 2413, 2426, 2435, 2442, 2445, 2448, 2450, 2455, 2464, 2464, 2497, 2519, 2521, 2529, 2531
  • Min, Max, and most probable 3.0 point are bolded.
• Gorget/belt: 2759, 2761, 2802, 2808, 2822, 2832, 2835, 2844, 2945, 2969, 2972, 2992, 3011, 3047, 3057, 3069, 3079, 3080, 3087, 3087, 3089, 3092, 3101, 3102, 3104, 3104, 3128, 3129, 3146, 3153, 3165, 3190, 3192
  • Min, Max, and most probable 3.0 point are bolded.

The above values fit 64% combined mods and 0.75 fTP perfectly. They do not fit 65% mods and 0.75 fTP. They don't fit either of the adjacent 1/16 points very well at all. --Byrthnoth 20:29, 3 February 2013 (EST)

More Crit Rate Testing

• 100TP: Atma of the Gnarled Horn, Atma of the Razed Ruins, and Atma of the Sanguine Scythe - Non-crit in 15 WSs (25% base + 50% in Atma + ??? native bonus = <25%)
• 100TP: Rancorous Mantle, Atma of the Gnarled Horn, Atma of the Razed Ruins, and Atma of the Sanguine Scythe - 30 consecutive crits

--Byrthnoth 21:43, 3 February 2013 (EST)

Looking back over my logs, I got a non-crit about half an hour after I stopped the first case. Somehow I missed it when I was doing it, but the non-crit only did 153 damage against EP monsters in Abyssea - La Theine so I guess it emphasizes the problem with doing this testing in the first place. Still, I think it's safe to say the 100% crit rate is <15%. --Byrthnoth 12:19, 4 February 2013 (EST)